As Mulkhurub Bahar Idarovna blossomed into an eye dazzling beauty, her father saw this as an opportunity to strengthen the political relationship between the Caucasus and Ottoman Dynasty. In official account, not all consorts who was referred as SULTANA was legally married to Sultan nor was the Valide Sultan. In the times of Suleyman, not everyone could be addressed that way. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. Best R. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2, your provided sources does not particularly points at M's father. His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. Hurrem later managed to become the Haseki Sultan or "favorite concubine" of the Ottoman imperial harem. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. Learn more about merges. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. The Ottoman archives and privy purse records prove that she was Mahidevran Hatun, regardless that fact that she was the mother of the crown prince or had been once a favorite of Suleiman. If you ask about Istanbul, the city still suffers from the plague; however, it is not like the previous one. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. 16th-century women. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. No title is suitable for this page, niether Sultan nor Hatun since users can't agree. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. [3][11][12] While Hrrem became Suleiman's new favorite and later his legal wife, Mahidevran Sultan retained the status of the crowned mother of Suleiman's eldest son,[13] and became Suleiman's "first wife". She was given many honours after her death. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. Hurrem died on 15 April 1558 due to an unknown illness and was buried in a domed mausoleum (trbe) decorated in exquisite Iznik tiles depicting the garden of paradise, perhaps in homage to her smiling and joyful nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahidevran_G%C3%BClbahar&type=revision&diff=713103324&oldid=713093101, https://www.google.com/search?q=mahidevran+hatun&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=mahidevran+hatun&tbm=bks, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9SrUAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=JYk-AQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=ZXUQBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT95&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tjFpAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=mahidevran+sultan&rlz=1C1CHWL_enPK572PK572&oq=mahidevran+sultan&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l2j69i65j69i60j0.3952j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=mahidevran+sultan&tbm=bks, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_titles_and_appellations, http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem2.asp, http://www.theottomans.org/english/glossary/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=5WT1BQAAQBAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s, http://www.theottomans.org/english/references/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=-2MMAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=h27sAAAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4xlIAAAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4ddqaCdZdZ0C&pg, https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id=nktpAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEIMjAD, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&dq=mahidevran+kadin&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj895vvl_DLAhVFHxoKHWzlD90Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=hCEtAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&dq=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijqeKzmPDLAhVDMhoKHa4wDm0Q6AEINjAE, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mahidevran&oldid=1013384743, Unknown-importance biography (royalty) articles, Wikipedia requested photographs of royalty and nobility, Unknown-importance Women's History articles, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, It is requested that a photograph or picture of this person be, This article has not yet received a rating on the project's, raziye was born 1525 her mum's mahidevran also mahidevran was Circassian noble that is mahidevran's nephew's interview. Mahidevran had only one son, it was Mustafa. And you Sir, just decided to crash in and make an edit. [4] Among the Ottomans, she was known mainly as Haseki Hurrem Sultan or Hurrem Haseki Sultan. 18th century portrait of Hurrem Sultan kept at Topkap Palace. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. The show was originally supposed to open last week With Christmas around the corner, Age Concern South Canterburys Friday Club celebrated by holding a traditional Christmas dinner for its members last Friday. The letters also suggest Hurrem's strong desire to establish personal contact with the king. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. Instead, he attended it. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a man surnamed Lisovski, who was an Orthodox priest of Ruthenian origin. There was a seal on the back of the letter. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. () LUCKYEYE GROUP ALSO MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO WHETHER THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE VIA THIS WEB SITE, OR ANY WEB SITE WITH WHICH IT IS LINKED, IS ACCURATE, COMPLETE, OR CURRENT. [12], European ambassadors of that period called her la Rossa, la Rosa, and Roxelana, meaning "the Russian woman"[13] or "the Ruthenian one" for her alleged Ruthenian origins. Concubine by definition is not a slave. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think you are mistaken my friend,,Mahidevran Sultan was the first chief consort and the proud mother Sehzade mustafa,the most potential heir apparent of the throne for succesion of his father.And you are saying that she was not even a concubine??? This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. Your email address will not be published. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels written mainly in Russian and Ukrainian, but also in English, French, German and Polish. In his 1551 letter to Sigismund II concerning the embassy of Piotr Opaliski, Suleiman wrote that the Ambassador had seen "Your sister and my wife." 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Chitchi, S. "Orientalist view on the Ottoman in the novel Roxalana (Hurrem Sultan) by Ukrainian author Pavlo Arhipovich Zahrebelniy". She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. Please correct that. Traditionally, when a new sultan rose to power, he would order all of his brothers killed in order to ensure there was no power struggle. 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Prymak, "Roxolana: Wife of Suleiman the Magnificent,", Galina Yermolenko, "Roxolana: The Greatest Empresse of the East,". [5] She was born in the town of Rohatyn 68km (42mi) southeast of Lww (Lviv), a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland,[6] in what is now Ukraine. Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. Let me repeat it; why didn't popular culture ever mentioned another Hatun ranked consort a Sultan? Nurbanus mosque was the first constructed in the capital by a woman of the dynasty to have two minarets. This article is literally the ONLY one in wikipedia to call a hatun a sultana. Empress of the East: How a European Slave Girl Became Queen of the Ottoman Empire. Former lover of Sultan Suleiman.But who was she before? Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. p. 401. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. An extra piece of information, in 15th century, the Tatars, Caucasians, Albanians, and Russians were all considered part of ""Circassia"". Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Hurrem's salary was 2,000 aspers a day, making her one of the highest-paid Hasekis. Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. Not all Haseki married the Sultan, if Hasekis can be called Sultana without marrying the Sultan so can the Bas Kadins. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. In early modern Spain, she appears or is alluded to in works by Quevedo and other writers as well as in a number of plays by Lope de Vega. If you are, however, still convinced that only Peirce's book is authentic source for the Ottomans, try putting this "concubinage" information in Ottoman Empire in details as explained by Leslie and see the response of Turks and Ottoman followers by yourself. The title of this page should read as Mahidevran or Mahidevran Gulbahar. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. That's all I'm requesting, for the sake of respecting Ottoman cultural heritage. # 9. Please be fair. Never before had a former slave been elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, a development which astonished observers in the palace and in the city. Circassian or Albanian? [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. At that time Mustafa was the third son of Suleiman, without significant importance. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. Retrieverlove (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "[] and the Sultan's favorite or chief consorts changed to Sultan []. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. Who were her parents? In the end, they fought and Mahidevran beat Hrrem or Hrrem let herself be beaten. Even so, a Sultan was NOT allowed to have more than 4 Kadins at a time (Brinci Kadin, Ba Kadn or Sultan Kadin was the first ranking wife), but can have as much concubines as he liked. Hurrem eventually achieved power, influencing the politics of the Ottoman Empire.
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